Roleplayers are bad.

-expand EVE beyond its "cult" niche

Yeah we do, this doesn't mean they can't take like 1% of their time and draw up some rooms we can walk around in.

Some people can't help but see the Waldorf Astoria (EVE Online) and yern to turn it into the Econo Lodge (games that are not EVE Online).

WoD is going to crash and burn like 95% of MMO's out there. I hope they scrap that vampire stuff and focus 100% on EVE.... then again having fangs in a spaceship game sounds promising....

Context is important you know.

He was referring to role players.

And this is why I loathe roleplayers.

If CCP wants more women in the game, they should find women who like space ships and market to them. I fail to see what a person's gender has to do with space ships.

As for having drinks, I do that all the time, with real drinks, while on coms with buddies who's avatars i don't have to look at.

I wonder if people playing WoW right now are walking around Azeroth thinking "you know what this game needs? Spaceships."

Every MMO I've ever played there have been roleplayers who insist that their nonsense take priority over everything else. WiS fetishists are the same way. Eve Online is a spaceship game and any resources that aren't spent on improving or adding to real Eve content are a waste and bad for the game. People demanding that CCP hurt their own game are just incredibly selfish.

If you don't like people wanting stuff other than Eve content maybe you should go onto the Dust forums and rant at them
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. I'd just like for them to be a specific kind of gameplay mechanics that are avatar-based rather than spaceship-based.

From a design and idea standpoint, there is a tremendous amount of content that could be added to greatly improve both the new and veteran player experiences from the CQ/WIS standpoint. Such opportunity should not be passed over.

Go ahead, give us your ideas for WiS. That, or leave this discussion to people that actually love the idea of WiS.

You can ask others to come up with ideas all day, and you will prob bash those ideas too. (that seems to be your approach anyway...) Not very constructive if you ask me...

First paragraph of my post had a glimpse of at least some potential use:


That's one idea. One of many. Things that come to mind are numerous, thinking them out for the sake of a post takes more time, though.

One thing that shouldn't be too hard to move over is the command room intro pre-dust match that the mercs stand around idly in. They really can't use it like we could in eve. That area would make for a great display of 3d solar and galaxy maps, editable fitting window where corp fittings can be adjusted and displayed.

Do not limit your ideas, expand upon them. Creativity is the root of innovation.

The key is to stop thinking of stations as just the docking interface and service buttons. Instead, imagine that when you walk through that door, you have effectively undocked, but into a different kind of space, with your avatar as a different kind of spaceship.

So objecting that WiS forces you to walk to a button that's just there in your NEOCOM anyway kind of misses the point of what's being proposed. I'm suggesting that new stuff should be added that's NOT already present in the station services - there should be new places for you to go, new resources for you to acquire and new ways for you to interact with other players, exactly as if you had undocked in a spaceship....

What I'm proposing is something similar for WiS - I have to (for example) walk to a deck on the station, locate an unsecure data relay in the station's maintenance shafts, hack past a corporate firewall, upload my profile as a megacorporate executive with access to be there, walk into the office, steal the information and escape without being caught, then either sell or manufacture-then-sell the resources thus earned, all while dodging or competing with other players.

I think there should be combat, based around soft clones - dying on a station should come with a SERIOUS case of lost SP if you're not careful to keep your soft backup up-to-date. It should revolve around cover, and missing a lot - capsuleers aren't that tough, so getting shot should HURT. Highsec stations should be harder to smuggle stuff into, but safer from being betrayed and shot up. Lowsec stations should be much easier destinations for the contraband, but the meetings where you trade your smuggled wares for ISK should be tense affairs, with both parties having drones and escape plans for if things go badly wrong.

Stuff like that. There are all kinds of gameplay options for WiS provided we let go of the idea that you should be able to do everything in a station from the comfort and safety of home. If you want to go "off the grid" for a bit.

The funny thing is that the way I envision WiS working is very much in keeping with the current narrative arc of leaving the empires behind.

from what i have read there are plenty of suggestions for content WIS would provide on this thread, you just choose not to care or accept it in your narrow minded vision. quit trolling dude

As you point out, they have been talking about walking in stations since 2006. Which is well before the micro-transactions business model was in use..

In 2006 people would have laughed at you for talking about selling in game items for real money.

Find me a popular game from 2006 that used a heavy micro-transactions model and I might take your post there seriously. .

you ignored all the ideas for content in Avatar form every time you've asked whether anyone has put anything valid forward. If your going to try to make arguments and then ignore people's responses you might as well not be posting.

I'm going to give you a hard time. Yes, you responded that time. But you had done it previously and ignored people and then asked the same question again. Also, you did it again. You dodged the point. I'll just leave it there. Your a hell of a lot better of a poster than a fair few people in here, but if your going to give me a hard time (a la "In Eve") when you haven't read my post properly, then I am going to give you a hard time for that.

Well, you could name a popular largely micro-transaction based game around in 2006, for a start. Until then, you still haven't contributed anything to the argument you started. I'm not going to let this drop. If your going to challenge an idea I put forward you need to provide an argument and evidence. So far I am have not seen that.

The idea that CCP decided to make content specifically for a business model that was either not in use, or had no noteworthy games at the time is ludicrous.

the entire argument we just had completely irrelevant as neither of us understood what the other meant in the first place.

if other people want the eve version of 2nd life fine.

if you see that as eve/2nd life then that's your view.. I see it as a deeper level of immersion

NEX store should be removed. And everything related to WiS (not only avatar customization but any WiS module, rooms, furnitures, whatever have to be craftable (and destroyable or consumable) by players like any other industry good in EVE.

...and later you'll expect to be taken seriously, troll?

ok, well as I said I have never played it so maybe it was wrong of me to name another game as a comparison.. but you seem to be the 2nd life expert on how it should be played "right" so I'll look you up if I ever develop an interest in it :)

but seriously, why is there a fear of wis? how will it cripple eve? and don't use the "it'll take precious Dev time away from sov/pos/shipsthathaventbeenabletobebalancedinthelasttenyearsandtheywouldbetomorrowifitwasntforwis"

Yeah, Prometheus wouldn't happen with EVE players because EVE players are actually smart, as opposed to the entire crew of Prometheus who were a pack of the worst dumbasses ever to grace the big screen.

(sorry, wrong movie... same planet, though.)

Maybe get a penalty for dieing, or at the start you can choose not to participate and close your CQ door again.

meh...maybe not for EVE lol.

I remember PvP-only servers in Ultima and Asheron - there was literally handful of players. "Actual gameplay" (PvP) is actually attractive for like 5% of players. EVE has higher percent of PvPers only because PvE players look for content anywhere else - just like I'm switching to Star Trek right now. Because that game is fantasy not sci-fi and has grind.
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I was beginning to think there wasn't any hope for you, but there damn well is.

That's been my entire point for the last couple of years lol. Why not just play STO or SWTOR or whatever Why do these WiS people demand EVE include something that it historically hasn't had when other games do have it?

Maybe that's a rhetorical question. Maybe we know, perhaps "WiS" is a refuge for people who don't actually like EVE but "think it could be awesome if".

Walking around works fine in STO because STO isn't like EvE. It's "economy" isn't driven by consumption/destruction so it doesn't matter that people aren't risking their ships in any meaningful way. And STO doesn't need people to interact, it's like a single player game with optional multiplayer.

Every person in EVE spending time "ambulating around a station" is spending less time in space participating in EVE. WiS is litterally bad for the game.

I play STO still from time to time. It's a "game" that is about "immersion", much more so than EvE is. STO is checkers to EvE's chess and I highly recommend it to these WiS types (and those "leave me alone to do my thing solo" types as well)

Although I love the idea of Walking in Ships, I can't help but feel it would be more difficult to add meaningful content to. I do think however, that Walking in Player Created Structures would be a better idea than walking in NPC stations. POSes (or their future equivalent), Outposts, and the new mobile employables.

Sorry, just looking at No Man's Sky (a exploration, resource harvesting, npc hunting, and PvP spaceships game with a single shared server) which also features atmospheric flight, line of sight combat, and getting out of one's space ship and exploring the surface of planets.

Space Stations are not shown in the walking about parts, but one would assume that if they can generate things like the planets shown, space stations are also likely. While most of the shown gameplay is first person cockpit combat, larger, apparently player owned cap ships to appear in the background in some of the footage.

Oh, and I also saw a Giant Sandworm in the preview footage. Which just gets some awesome points, but not sure if it's relevant to game play or not.

I wonder if that will directly compete with eve?

It will have to wait till at least 2015 when Star Citizen is done killing EVE as Nostradamus predicted in his 16th century treatise on the fate of MMOs.

No you don't, because every time we do you sneak out of the house and ride around with that tattoo'd boy we don't approve of in his new trans-am.

Buzzing noises

You remind me of Jenn aSide, you're blocked too, bye bye child!

For me its sort out sov, continue on the balancing where needed and have a look at WIS if you can, I hope that we will get something in stations and the CQ shows what CCP can do.

Actually I like the idea of the new region and manufacturing star gates, because I think Eve needs regions like 0.0 with no local, make it so taht no capitals can reach it and a new snadbox...

As for the affair, a number of us were doing it in corp chat, at one point, with one guy having his two females chasing his male main and fighting over it, just fun, you know the sort of fun where women moan about the males leaving the toilet seat up all the time, anyway...

In fact if they made that screen in CQ link to a mobile camera structure it adds a reason to go there.

When walking in stations came out...it was so bad that everyone started un-subbing due to rage.

Tyrell Corporation engeneers will release the first, real, warp engine, opening new frontiers for the humankind...

Warhammer 40k Online is now back in the pipeline, Praise the Emperor!

No Man's Sky and arguably Star Citizen also both target key EvE demographics as well.

You can go play with your Barbie dolls in some other game

Hence why we are discussing this (what, 3rd?) attempt by a company to produce a 40k MMO that will not manage to enrage some portion or other of the firmly established and intrenched player and fanbase of that IP.

Personally, I would be happy if they made one, I love me some Chaos Space Marines. But I don't think they will get much further than Dark Millenium did. There's too many interests tugging on that rope bridge for it to not collapse.

I agree. Shall we ask the ISD to close it ?

Your choice, we'll help. Eating right now, so expect delay.

They don't like being faced with the truth. They would prefer to continue thinking WIS was the reason for the Summer of Nerdrage.

Everytime someone makes a thread like this and it gets to be a threadnaught you have attracted the attention of a dev or two.

So who made the big decision to scrap the good walking in stations for what we have now? Why did CCP drop development of walking in stations when all they had to do was come out with what everyone was looking forward to...walking around a station. Being able to walk up to your ship and zoom out to see the awesome size comparison.

Do you know there are sci fi games coming out that are in beta right now that allow you to walk up to your ship? After ten years of EVE and two years of incarna, why cant the biggest sci fi game in the world still not let players walk up to their awesome ships? What are you doing wrong CCP?

Been a member of the forums for 10 years and I have frequently seen random Dev posts so I do know they read forums and don't necessarily reply. However they do read them which is enough.

So if forum posts are so useless, why are you in here posting that we shouldn't be posting? Maybe if that's what you think, you should not post.

I don't care that much to be honest, WIS, no WIS.. I'd prefer it but not losing sleep over it.

Infinity's view is not far off of mine.

The idea that CCP re-organised their corporate goals and structure based on forum posting is hilarious.

i'm also going to take direct positive action and try to organize the same

others keep taking the "silly thread, close pls" attitude and keep going on and on about spaceships and worthless crap that has been talked down in tens of threads before this one.

Oh, so the CSM knew about our specific gripes how exactly?

Others just want to discuss the concept in a refreshing way, obviously something that annoys a WiS supporter like you greatly.

Inaccurate representation of previous statements and questions

I was only confused by your newly skinned scalp and soulless eyes, did sansha get his hands on you?

You're the magic man... Slam dunked that right down their throats :)

Calling your grammar bad isn't an ad hominem. I don't see any ad hominem's in that post.

It is, actually.

In all fairness, calling somebody out for their grammatical errors isn't exactly a debate-winning strategy, dude. It's really just petty and misses the point.

Argue against the intent of the arguments, not the mistakes in how they were phrased.

Because intellectual property in infinitely malleable, right?

How is organizing not democratic?

Its actually more than 35k, around 35,600+ at last count. That's only mains, not counting alts and not counting alternate accounts. Its likely the CFC could generate around 150k+ votes if it needed to and downvote the same amount. Or more than 20% of the servers subscriptions.

lol.

EDIT: You are a stupid Troll, blocked

You are blocked too, and I realized that this toon was one of yours.

Nice eyes Ramona , but i don't think you see the big picture that others envision with WiS additions. And i know you Amarr love your books of wisdom, however words of the past don't always embody the spirit of what is desired for the future.

That's the equivalent of asking for somewhere nice and quiet a long way from other people where you should be able to carve out your own little niche at great effort and without having to deal with anybody else, and then saying that A: nobody should be allowed to pitch tents or build cabins out there and B: you're not interested in the existing such places because they can't easily be reached by road and don't have a KFC.

You know... I understand what your saying. But I think that this creature you speak of is simply what others (including myself) are refering to as someone who simply does not believe in or supports WiS. It REALLY is that simple...

Edit: But then again, it could just go on forever what "supporting WiS" really is or means, and that is NOT something I am here to debate.

I've read this entire thread and haven't once seen someone direct that term towards you specifically. And yes, it is true I have not seen you 'naysay' WiS. I think it's important to remember when people refer to such a thing, they are refering to a majority (or minority, depending on how you look at it) or general group of players. They could even be referring to their memory of 'naysayers' from back when Incarna was actually release. What I'm saying is, I think it's just a generalization for lack of better grammar (of which I'm guilty). *shrugs*

when WIS comes again.

I apologize to all the WiS folks who made this thread and were voicing their opinions constructively before I went off on a tangent. My apologies.

Please, carry on.

Your post made me want to set up a shop in game to sell Imaginations. I'd sell bright ones, fun ones, interesting ones, smart ones, imaginations with polka dots and little bells that tinkle, you could be my first customer and trade yours in for one of the above...

I liked it too, and now I feel unclean. Good thing is WiS will have showers so your girl avatar can help my girl avatar not be unclean.....

If you think computer game p*rn is the only possible justification for Avatar content then I think your worse than most of the people your criticizing.

Grumpy, and blowing up people's spaceships, is what I do. I consider this post a compliment and therefore you get a like.

Too bad the trolls are too busy talking about hawt avatar on avatar action. Funny that those supporting WiS are least likely to bring up avatar ****, and those who don't want it always seem to bring it up.

There is almost infinite irony in the posting of this post. Also Red Dwarf FTW.

I am reminded of the hallucinogenic suicide inducing squid episode.

Nah, life is good. I won't brag over the details, but the worst-case scenario is I've been grabbed by the functional opposite of a Despair Squid.

You are horribly wrong, Elite Frontier II had it very early in 1993, and without any tricks, you caould land on planet and then start flying from the surface thru the atmosphere right into the space, without any cutscenes or graphical tricks like dark warp tunnels.

But it was revolutionary and done 20 years ago, CCP had the same altitude in 2003, now its cozy chair and a glass of porto beside the sleeping cat.

No one said controlling spaceship in newtonian enviroment had to be easy without a Combat Computer. It was real, more real than EVE ever will be when we talk physics or scale. But there is one downside I will agree every time, it was single player only game.

EVE was never particularly realistic.

My Fedo is walking in stations

Scientific proof that WiS is bad for the game, because it involves opening the door. Therefore people will forget to fly space ships.